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military officers based in afghanistan have drawn up plans to exit afghanistan, with draw as many as 5,000 troops in july and 5,000 by the year's end. this would be the first phase of the president's promise to pull out of there. but, of course, these proposals are going to be the subject of fierce debate in washington between the white house, the state department, and the pentagon, but the plans are there to at least start, to at least start. >> 5,000's nice but there are 100,000 troops serving in pakistan. i think politics are at play as they are on a grand bargain with health care which is president obama and others don't want to make that kind of deal before a presidential election. he didn't want to be the guy walking away from afghanistan where he says you lost before he has to run for re-election. >> that's great unless you have a 21-year-old son serving in the marine corps. no matter where you are in the world, if you're wearing an american uniform, you're a target. no matter what you're doing in afghanistan, pakistan, wherever, germany, you're a target. an we don't take that
military officers based in afghanistan have drawn up plans to exit afghanistan, with draw as many as 5,000 troops in july and 5,000 by the year's end. this would be the first phase of the president's promise to pull out of there. but, of course, these proposals are going to be the subject of fierce debate in washington between the white house, the state department, and the pentagon, but the plans are there to at least start, to at least start. >> 5,000's nice but there are 100,000 troops...
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i didn't get the afghanistan speech. i didn't -- i didn't get if we're not going to -- not going to achieve that much in afghanistan by 2014, why are we still there? why are we going to stay for another three years and spend more blood and treasure if we're not going to get a better result? >> we're in a holding pattern and been in a holding pattern. for the life of me, i'm with you. i don't understand it. let's bring in senator chris coons. let's first get your reaction to the president's speech in afghanistan. do you agree with us that the president didn't go far enough? or do you agree with the joint chiefs that the president may have gone too far? >> i think that the president should have announced a change in strategy. what i've asked for is a clear strategic change from the counter insurgency, nation building strategy to one that focuses on counterterrorism. the consequence of a counterterrorism in afghanistan would be a signature withdrawal of forces and drawdown to lighter more civil operations and focus more int
i didn't get the afghanistan speech. i didn't -- i didn't get if we're not going to -- not going to achieve that much in afghanistan by 2014, why are we still there? why are we going to stay for another three years and spend more blood and treasure if we're not going to get a better result? >> we're in a holding pattern and been in a holding pattern. for the life of me, i'm with you. i don't understand it. let's bring in senator chris coons. let's first get your reaction to the...
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afghanistan and iraq. and there's just a disconnect, and there's an acceptance that we're going to be there, that there are going to be casualties. my former assistant, josh boke, had the lead story in "the post" yesterday where they had the story about all of the money that we spent on these projects, on these roads. we go in and we build the roads and then turn it over to the afghans and they don't have the money or the experience and so they are even worse potholes in afghanistan in all those roads than in washington, d.c. >> and, pat, we were talking yesterday with someone who compared the united states and afghanistan to the roman empire. and final centuries where it was fighting wars where romans were completely disconnected. and that's where we are right now. we are now fighting wars across the globe that americans are not invested in. >> you know, the great rising power is china. everybody recognizes that. and they are moving all over the world and investing. and here we are bogged down basically i
afghanistan and iraq. and there's just a disconnect, and there's an acceptance that we're going to be there, that there are going to be casualties. my former assistant, josh boke, had the lead story in "the post" yesterday where they had the story about all of the money that we spent on these projects, on these roads. we go in and we build the roads and then turn it over to the afghans and they don't have the money or the experience and so they are even worse potholes in afghanistan...
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basically, how do you avoid the pitfalls of vietnam in afghanistan. >> he inherited afghanistan and iraq the way nixon inherited vietnam, 535,000 troops in vietnam when he got into the white house. bush i learned the lessons. there was a big push from the neoconservatives to go to baghdad. bush i did that and said this is what everybody signed on for. we are stopping at the iraqi border. he got the lesson right. >> for the record, george w. bush spit out his coffee and wept for it. marvin, go ahead. >> i agree with you, pat. the relevant point is vietnam was in his point. he did not want to go too far or get trapped in baghdad. this is one of the most fascinating things, you can get in on the act, too. the way one of the presidents after another, vietnam sits there just hanging around and even if you wanted to dump it, you couldn't. >> i asked obama about this a year ago and he maintains he's free of the vietnam. >> i agree with you. he's the one sitting there saying i'm not doing ten years. i'm not doing $1 trillion. it's about vietnam. it's about getting into a steal mate. >> yet, we s
basically, how do you avoid the pitfalls of vietnam in afghanistan. >> he inherited afghanistan and iraq the way nixon inherited vietnam, 535,000 troops in vietnam when he got into the white house. bush i learned the lessons. there was a big push from the neoconservatives to go to baghdad. bush i did that and said this is what everybody signed on for. we are stopping at the iraqi border. he got the lesson right. >> for the record, george w. bush spit out his coffee and wept for it....
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troops to withdraw from afghanistan next month. "the washington post" reports the president's decision will set the draw-down schedule for the 23,000 surged troops he sent to afghanistan last year. according to "the post" commanders, the surge succeeded in clearing certain parts of afghanistan. although the president has not made a final decision yet, he will likely remove all of the troops since the end of 2012. the announcement comes since the relationships stalled between the u.s. and the taliban. hillary clinton will discuss afghanistan and pakistan on thursday. it comes as a new poll conducted for "the hill" shows that 72% of voters believe the united states is involved in too many foreign conflicts and should bring the troops home. only 16% agree with current troop levels. it's a big story. a lot of good things to talk about today. and you wrote about this in your politico speech, which we'll read later. >> jonathan, what's the president do tomorrow? >> i think he's going to announce that he's following through what he said a
troops to withdraw from afghanistan next month. "the washington post" reports the president's decision will set the draw-down schedule for the 23,000 surged troops he sent to afghanistan last year. according to "the post" commanders, the surge succeeded in clearing certain parts of afghanistan. although the president has not made a final decision yet, he will likely remove all of the troops since the end of 2012. the announcement comes since the relationships stalled between...
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i said what do you think about afghanistan? should we be moving out? and he turned to me long pause and he said, i don't know what the objective is. >> that's the critical point. i mean it was interesting seeing senator kerry, chairman of the senate foreign relations committee beginning to address this in the larger form of the national in the nation. one of the seminal events of the 20th century was the fullbright hearings on vietnam in the '60s when finally more americans became aware of the fact that we could not answer the question what is our objective? and we've asked repeatedly various people on the show from washington, d.c., senate and the house, that is our objective there and they hem and they huh and they really can't give you one, two, three, here's our objectivement let's find out. >> certainly an appropriate time to reassess. >> it really is and i think the symbolic feeling about bin laden's death and maybe even a legitimate one depending on how much power he still had and certainly the information garnered out of his compound, all of th
i said what do you think about afghanistan? should we be moving out? and he turned to me long pause and he said, i don't know what the objective is. >> that's the critical point. i mean it was interesting seeing senator kerry, chairman of the senate foreign relations committee beginning to address this in the larger form of the national in the nation. one of the seminal events of the 20th century was the fullbright hearings on vietnam in the '60s when finally more americans became aware...
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afghanistan is a distraction. one thing about afghanistan, when you had the attacks on the hotel, it went back to vietnam. it's a reminder the people we are working with in afghanistan, given what they get out of pakistan, they will not be able to turn the corner. we continue to invest enormously there. >> howard dean? >> afghanistan, because of the leadership there, no matter what we do, it doesn't matter. karzai is hopeless. i'm more optimistic. if you look at it over many, many years, tunisia is a bright star. egypt is not going to be a democracy in the way we know it. yemen is a huge problem. libya, who knows. i think there's progress that's been made here. i agree there's a lot of countries not making progress. syria, who knows what's going to happen. there will be real gains. >> i kind of agree with governor dean. in yemen, if we have what you describe, the potential for ungovernable state, it will become a petri dish of groups. they may be highly dysfunctional, but not failed. how does the u.s. not send som
afghanistan is a distraction. one thing about afghanistan, when you had the attacks on the hotel, it went back to vietnam. it's a reminder the people we are working with in afghanistan, given what they get out of pakistan, they will not be able to turn the corner. we continue to invest enormously there. >> howard dean? >> afghanistan, because of the leadership there, no matter what we do, it doesn't matter. karzai is hopeless. i'm more optimistic. if you look at it over many, many...
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money for projects in afghanistan may actually be going to insurgents. the wall street journal reports according to an audit, u.s. aid is acceptable to fraud because of limited control. the u.s. has given more than 70 being dollars to security developments in 2002. lack of oversight and the failure to take certain measurements like cash serial numbers makes payments hard to track. top xanders in afghanistan and yking cia chief general david petraeus is an optimistic assessment to the american campaign calling the afghan war fragile and reversible. petraeus says now is the time to rekindle a once, trusting relationship. >> carl, you talked about debt and the money we have been pouring into the wars over the past decade. we are spending $2 billion to $2.5 billion a week. >> it's never going to change. that's the real point. this is about pakistan, as we said on the show a number of times. how do we deal with pakistan and at the same time, get out of afghanistan except in terms of special forces or drones to represent our interest and chase down terrorists?
money for projects in afghanistan may actually be going to insurgents. the wall street journal reports according to an audit, u.s. aid is acceptable to fraud because of limited control. the u.s. has given more than 70 being dollars to security developments in 2002. lack of oversight and the failure to take certain measurements like cash serial numbers makes payments hard to track. top xanders in afghanistan and yking cia chief general david petraeus is an optimistic assessment to the american...
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let's show them again, in afghanistan. and, of course, petraeus believes and we do not fault him, because generals want to win wars. and want as many troops possible to win wars. general petraeus and the generals believe we have to be there for a very long time. and yet, gates, our secretary of defense just said last week that any -- that wants to go to war in a place like afghanistan should, quote, get their head examined. as willie just said we're signed up for another five, six years. >> is he feeling liberated that he's sieending his time at the t govern? >> there is something there. >> what you've been expressing for months, maybe years, is now the view of the country. they want to liquidate this war in afghanistan. >> by the way, pat, we've been saying on this show for two years now that everywhere we go, americans want us out of afghanistan. >> sure. >> the hell with the polls. we've given sweechs to republicans and democrats, everybody, they keep asking, why are we there? >> we need a republican candidate who will
let's show them again, in afghanistan. and, of course, petraeus believes and we do not fault him, because generals want to win wars. and want as many troops possible to win wars. general petraeus and the generals believe we have to be there for a very long time. and yet, gates, our secretary of defense just said last week that any -- that wants to go to war in a place like afghanistan should, quote, get their head examined. as willie just said we're signed up for another five, six years....
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that is, mark, obviously, there's the politics of afghanistan, the military strategy of afghanistan. this is what the white house is feared. not this attack. if they start withdrawaling forces, something like this happens, republicans say, see we told you. yeah. >> they have to watch it closely. on the positive side, the opinion polls that came out have been positive. a decent size majority supporting the president. >> look at the numbers. new york times poll 79% of americans approve of the president's plan to reduce troops in afghanistan. almost an 80/20 issue here. the white house is pleased with that, but facts on the ground matter. what events could occur where the president feels he has to tweak or alter the plan. as the drawdown begins, as the president pointed out, it's going to be a difficult problem to manage. >> harold that's one cbs poll that came out. 80% of americans supporting the president. are you part of that 80%? let me show you another poll. americans were asked who do you blame for the bad economy? these numbers may explain why the president's ratings hover around
that is, mark, obviously, there's the politics of afghanistan, the military strategy of afghanistan. this is what the white house is feared. not this attack. if they start withdrawaling forces, something like this happens, republicans say, see we told you. yeah. >> they have to watch it closely. on the positive side, the opinion polls that came out have been positive. a decent size majority supporting the president. >> look at the numbers. new york times poll 79% of americans...
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he's done the surge in afghanistan. he has really shown himself to be something of a hawk when it comes to the wars. >> how depressing, ron paul. it seems that there is no difference between republicans and democrats when it comes to these wars. in fact, barack obama's tripled the number of troops in afghanistan and republicans are pushing him to commit even loenk. we've been there forever and a decade, ron. >> and this is the bad part of bipartisanship. foreign policy is always bipartisan and you know, give obama his due because he didn't deny that he wanted to fight in afghanistan. that's the good war. that's the long war. and he did state that in the campaign. but he has no intention of leaving. we have no intention of leaving iraq until we totally go broke and we have to leave like the soviets did. our empire will end for financial reasons. but it is total chaos there. there is no stability in iraq. i mean today there's an -- think a "new york times," the last christians are about to leave there. as bad as it was be
he's done the surge in afghanistan. he has really shown himself to be something of a hawk when it comes to the wars. >> how depressing, ron paul. it seems that there is no difference between republicans and democrats when it comes to these wars. in fact, barack obama's tripled the number of troops in afghanistan and republicans are pushing him to commit even loenk. we've been there forever and a decade, ron. >> and this is the bad part of bipartisanship. foreign policy is always...
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>> afghanistan. >> oh, afghanistan. i think we are trying to disengage. that is a sensible policy. i don't think we should proclaim to stay there and win and create a modern afghanistan, i think that has been abandoned. >> i don't think we should pack our bags and just leave. the president is striving at a departure. reinforced by an international umbrella that is yet to be shaped, a kind of regional consensus and in effect, create a situation with the problem of afghanistan, which is also the problem of pakistan, becomes a regional problem in which the country's in the region have a stake in solving and are not -- there's a reasonable chance that can be pulled off. >> dr. brzezinski, you mentioned pakistan. the focus of policy leaders. turning away from afghanistan, we got reports the journalist who was killed by the isi inside pakistan further out is complicating our relationship with that group. we announced going in to kill osama bin laden. how do we manage this relationship that's been difficult to manage for as far as the eye can see? >> well, first of all, we have to recogni
>> afghanistan. >> oh, afghanistan. i think we are trying to disengage. that is a sensible policy. i don't think we should proclaim to stay there and win and create a modern afghanistan, i think that has been abandoned. >> i don't think we should pack our bags and just leave. the president is striving at a departure. reinforced by an international umbrella that is yet to be shaped, a kind of regional consensus and in effect, create a situation with the problem of afghanistan,...
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the white house's own words on afghanistan. on the reat side we haven't seen a terror threat imnating for the past seven or eight years. there's clearly been fighting and threats inside afghanistan talking the 50 or so in the unit. there is no effort within afghanistan to use that country to carry out attacks. again, we don't see a transnational threat out of afghanistan in terms of the terror threat and it's not going to affect it all. the threat in pakistan, either. the white house's own words. there has not been a terrorist threat out of afghanistan for the past seven or eight years. afghanistan, the white house does not see as a terrorist threat toward the united states. or pakistan. how do you square that with what the president of the united states is saying publicly? >> back home in west virginia, i said we went to afghanistan for the right reason. we are staying for the wrong reason. that's as simple as i can put it. we seem to be staying well beyond our mission of counter terrorism. we ask people on the show why are we
the white house's own words on afghanistan. on the reat side we haven't seen a terror threat imnating for the past seven or eight years. there's clearly been fighting and threats inside afghanistan talking the 50 or so in the unit. there is no effort within afghanistan to use that country to carry out attacks. again, we don't see a transnational threat out of afghanistan in terms of the terror threat and it's not going to affect it all. the threat in pakistan, either. the white house's own...
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they weren't talking about afghanistan. they weren't talking about medicare. they weren't talking about social security. on that day, in early january, 2011, they were saying circle the date, we're not going to just increase the debt ceiling. all of washington knew that. now, if the president and the democrats want to ignore this for eight and a half months, and not put out a budget because they refused to put out a budget because they know that if they do the responsible thing and put out a budget like paul ryan did in the house, they would get a tax. >> eviscerated. >> so they decided -- >> by the republicans. >> -- right, to not show the courage that paul ryan showed and then get destroyed by the other side. so you can blame republicans if you would like for doing what they have been saying they're going to do for nine months while barack obama ignored this crisis coming, for eight months. and then focus in at the end -- and then -- >> i fundamentally disagree. >> you can fundamentally disagree on opinions but you can't fundamentally disagree on facts. the
they weren't talking about afghanistan. they weren't talking about medicare. they weren't talking about social security. on that day, in early january, 2011, they were saying circle the date, we're not going to just increase the debt ceiling. all of washington knew that. now, if the president and the democrats want to ignore this for eight and a half months, and not put out a budget because they refused to put out a budget because they know that if they do the responsible thing and put out a...
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you want our soldiers out of iraq and afghanistan. that is what most americans would say. maybe evenly divided but i think that's where public opinion is trending. so it's supposed to be become more a sievie y diplomatic issu. we have to pay contractors. >> craigslist. put it on craigslist. >> mike barnacle, the situation keeps getting worse in afghanistan. and pakistan, we seem to be in a meltdown. we're dropping drones in pakistan. we're killing innocent civilians. what response do we expect from the pakistani government? >> that's the real number of the iss -- real nub of the issue here. with e can't leave. we can't extricate ourselves from the millions that we send in. today in the papers acause the country, "the new york times," five americaned killed yesterday in afghanistan. we've taken our eyes off that. it's something that we're involved in that we have to get out of. we cannot stay there. both economically, politically, morally. i mean fewer than 1% of our people here in this country fighting the war in afghanistan and in iraq. we pay very little attention to i.
you want our soldiers out of iraq and afghanistan. that is what most americans would say. maybe evenly divided but i think that's where public opinion is trending. so it's supposed to be become more a sievie y diplomatic issu. we have to pay contractors. >> craigslist. put it on craigslist. >> mike barnacle, the situation keeps getting worse in afghanistan. and pakistan, we seem to be in a meltdown. we're dropping drones in pakistan. we're killing innocent civilians. what response...
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only afghanistan can save afghanistan. >> yeah. >> all that i want right now at this point in history for america to save america. we've got to fix -- >> well, now. joining us now from washington, we have the moderator of "meet the press," david gregory. we also have columnist and associate editor of the "washington post" eugene robinson. gentlemen, good to have you on. david, what's your take away from the debate last night? >> well, you saw santorum and huntsman still kind of the second tier of this debate even though i think huntsman continues to perform well. i think the big issue is perry getting stronger or weaker? how does he fit into the driving force of the tea party and the republican party right now, which is the economy and the president's handling of it? i think romney's still in a better position to make the claim he can seize the energy from the tea party about obama, about the role of government, and also drive an argument of electability. i mean, if this was the best shot the republicans are going to have, the chance to deny president obama a second term, republican p
only afghanistan can save afghanistan. >> yeah. >> all that i want right now at this point in history for america to save america. we've got to fix -- >> well, now. joining us now from washington, we have the moderator of "meet the press," david gregory. we also have columnist and associate editor of the "washington post" eugene robinson. gentlemen, good to have you on. david, what's your take away from the debate last night? >> well, you saw santorum...
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i have been in afghanistan four times in the last two years and iraq before that. it's my way of saying thank you to the troops i met there who are so remarkably impressive and went about their business in controversial wars in difficult circumstances with a great american can do spirit and optimism. >> let's talk a little bit about the wounded. those who come back and are not able to perform at the level wes is able to physically. how are we doing taking care of those guys on another question? >> not so good. some of the best programs are run by veterans who find that helping others is a way to push your way through ptsd. if you are focused on someone else, you are not so worried about yourself. the ptsd rates are very high. last month, we saw the highest number of suicides, army suicides in american history. 32 people. so, there are significant challenges. those challenges were made. we have to -- we can't lose sight of the fact there are a lot of success stories and a lot of people coming back who have a lot to offer our society. >> why aren't we doing a better
i have been in afghanistan four times in the last two years and iraq before that. it's my way of saying thank you to the troops i met there who are so remarkably impressive and went about their business in controversial wars in difficult circumstances with a great american can do spirit and optimism. >> let's talk a little bit about the wounded. those who come back and are not able to perform at the level wes is able to physically. how are we doing taking care of those guys on another...
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and nato forces in afghanistan and accept his resignation. now, hastings has a new "rolling stone" piece on the man who took mcchrystal's place, general david petraeus. hastings writes this, during his time in iraq petraeus earned the nickname king david for the manner in which he ruled over the ancient city of mosul. to get america out of the war petraeus has turned to the network of warlords, drug runners and thieves known as the afghan government. and you write that it could be tough, tough, tough times ahead. >> definitely. i think under the time pressure that general petraeus is on he'ç turned to who have become our most reliable allies. unfortunately they're the country's most notorious gangst gangsters. those are the guys who you as officials will say they'll pick up the phone and get the job done. that's who we turned to. >> mcchrystal had been criticized in the past before being dumped for suggesting that america would need to stay possibly another ten years to get things right in afghanistan. that shocked a lot of people. but he wa
and nato forces in afghanistan and accept his resignation. now, hastings has a new "rolling stone" piece on the man who took mcchrystal's place, general david petraeus. hastings writes this, during his time in iraq petraeus earned the nickname king david for the manner in which he ruled over the ancient city of mosul. to get america out of the war petraeus has turned to the network of warlords, drug runners and thieves known as the afghan government. and you write that it could be...
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it's not going to end well in afghanistan. and we are there for political reasons and political reasons only, because nobody wants, in washington, d.c., to be blamed for, quote, losing afghanistan. >> right. that's it. >> that's what it comes down to. >>> from afghanistan to china, my must-read is my dad's. it's in "the new york times" today. how to stay friends with china. he writes this because the leader of china is due to visit u.s. in the coming weeks. the worst outcome for asia's long-term stability as well as the american-chinese relationship would be a drift into escalating reciprocal demonization. what's more, the temptations to follow such a course are likely to grow as both countries face dif times at home. the pressure is real. the united states' need for comprehensive domestic renewal, for instance, is in many respects the price of having shouldered the burdens of having waged the 40-year-old cold war and the price of having neg glethed for the last 20 years mounting evidence of its own domestic obsolescence. our
it's not going to end well in afghanistan. and we are there for political reasons and political reasons only, because nobody wants, in washington, d.c., to be blamed for, quote, losing afghanistan. >> right. that's it. >> that's what it comes down to. >>> from afghanistan to china, my must-read is my dad's. it's in "the new york times" today. how to stay friends with china. he writes this because the leader of china is due to visit u.s. in the coming weeks. the...
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what constitutes success in afghanistan when the number of al qaeda in afghanistan is small and the real issue is in pakist pakistan. and, you know, there are a lot of military people who believe it's time to pull out of afghanistan. >> let's do a little math here. we're spending about $150 billion a year in afghanistan, right? we're about to talk about the budget. >> yeah. >> cia director says there are 50 al qaeda members left in afghanistan. i'm not good with math. you're an economist. what is 50 into $150 million? >> that would be $3 billion, right? >> so we're spending $3 billion a year per afghanistan fighter. >> doesn't seem like a good ratio, does it? >> let's see, $3 billion per afghanistan fighter. >> say high yield cost here. >> say high yield cost. >> i think this is a high unit cost. >> want to follow up. what is winning? let us define winning in afghanistan. when we went in there in 2001, winning was getting rid of al qaeda, making sure al qaeda was not -- afghanistan was not a sanctuary by -- for al qaeda anymore. can we say since there are only 50 members of al qaeda in a
what constitutes success in afghanistan when the number of al qaeda in afghanistan is small and the real issue is in pakist pakistan. and, you know, there are a lot of military people who believe it's time to pull out of afghanistan. >> let's do a little math here. we're spending about $150 billion a year in afghanistan, right? we're about to talk about the budget. >> yeah. >> cia director says there are 50 al qaeda members left in afghanistan. i'm not good with math. you're...
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coming up, getting out of afghanistan. our next guest is working on legislation that would require a concrete legislative strategy. james mcgovern of massachusetts joins the table next. >>> also, 25 years after the chernobyl community disaster why a community of women are risking their health to live there. we're going to bring in editor and chief leslie jane seymour. guess is who is on his way to can i ev right now? stwl who on is that? >> my dad. but first, here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> we have another surprise this morning especially for people in michigan. we've had snow reported in chicago and now it's snowing in detroit. ridiculous stuff. buffalo, you're cold and chilly. we're just find from boston to d.c. all the white on this map is snow. moderate, heavy at times from kalamazoo. detroit, we're calling for 2 to 4 inches. even the roads are going to get snow on them. as far as the forecast for the rest of the country, we're okay today. but tomorrow, another big string storm arrives in the plain
coming up, getting out of afghanistan. our next guest is working on legislation that would require a concrete legislative strategy. james mcgovern of massachusetts joins the table next. >>> also, 25 years after the chernobyl community disaster why a community of women are risking their health to live there. we're going to bring in editor and chief leslie jane seymour. guess is who is on his way to can i ev right now? stwl who on is that? >> my dad. but first, here is bill karins...
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andrea is right about afghanistan. part of the reason the taliban took over is because we didn't stay. we don't want to stay in libya. >> right. >> there are all kinds of very, very difficult questions. the first one as you said all along, gadhafi's got to go. >> right. mike barnicle, gadhafi has to go but we are arming rebels despite the fact we don't know who the rebels are. >> considering arming rebels. >> they're firing at hotels where members of the foreign press are staying. >> yes, to andrea's point, there was a terrific piece in the front page of the "times" by chris chivers. not only are we trying to arm and supply a woefully under-armed opposition force to gadhafi, we are arming this group that they have no idea what to do, most of them, with the weaponry that we've given them. they are firing at the wrong targets. they are getting in their 1954 desotos and heading east. this is a real problem for this administration. i would assume andrea could speak to this better than any of us right now, i would assume in
andrea is right about afghanistan. part of the reason the taliban took over is because we didn't stay. we don't want to stay in libya. >> right. >> there are all kinds of very, very difficult questions. the first one as you said all along, gadhafi's got to go. >> right. mike barnicle, gadhafi has to go but we are arming rebels despite the fact we don't know who the rebels are. >> considering arming rebels. >> they're firing at hotels where members of the foreign...
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>> afghanistan will become a vacuum for pakistan. that will help islamist extremists become the leaders of pakistan. >> i want to show something else in this age. willie, you noted this as well. the quick turn-around from yesterday. we were on the house floor yesterday looking at john boehner getting sworn in. let's show this shot, too. this morning -- >> this happened 17 hours ago, and it's in "time" magazine. >> the miracles of paper. you can take it anywhere and it's almost instantaneous. it's getting into people's hands. by the way, this is the beginning of a year-long series we're doing on employment, unemployment, jobs. we'll do down halls around the country. you should come and do one with us in different cities where there's either job growth or unemployment. >> would love to do that. >> "time" magazine, where the jobs are, it comes out on news stands tomorrow, fascinating reading. rick has predicted, because he's so optimistic, that the worst times are over. happy days are here again. >> we shall see. rick, thank you. how wi
>> afghanistan will become a vacuum for pakistan. that will help islamist extremists become the leaders of pakistan. >> i want to show something else in this age. willie, you noted this as well. the quick turn-around from yesterday. we were on the house floor yesterday looking at john boehner getting sworn in. let's show this shot, too. this morning -- >> this happened 17 hours ago, and it's in "time" magazine. >> the miracles of paper. you can take it anywhere...
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this is happening in afghanistan, this is happening across afghanistan, mike. it has been for five years. how much longer are we going to allow this to happen? well, joe, you know, it's history. we are casualties of history in terms of the way we fight war. peggy would remember this, probable two of the more famous examples have to deal with caisson in 1968ç in which a sie of caisson went on for months, november of 1967 through early march of 1968, a tremendous cost to the united states marine corps. then they withdrew from caisson and the north vietnamese army took it over. then there was hamburger hill, same thing, today in the pesh valley, we have the same thing going on, the same expenditure of american lives over the past two years. now we are withdrawing. the key quote and "the times" story jumps off the page at you, a brigade commander saying about the people who we were there to supposedly protect in the valley for the last two years, now that we're withdrawing, the brigade commander says about the afghan people they just want to be left alone. >> you
this is happening in afghanistan, this is happening across afghanistan, mike. it has been for five years. how much longer are we going to allow this to happen? well, joe, you know, it's history. we are casualties of history in terms of the way we fight war. peggy would remember this, probable two of the more famous examples have to deal with caisson in 1968ç in which a sie of caisson went on for months, november of 1967 through early march of 1968, a tremendous cost to the united states...
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report this past week petraeus has a long-term strategy to stay in afghanistan. this president, first he was going to be out in '11, then it was '14. we're going to be there a long time. >> it's fool hearty. that's going to be part of the reason the empire will come down. let me remind people that republicans used to have a position closer to mine. just think on -- i remember when eisenhower was elected, it was a stop democrat war in korea. when nixon was elected, he was supposed to stop the democrat war in vietnam. there's a strong tradition. unfortunately, after 9/11, the republicans became the war monthers and said we have to fight war endlessly. therefore we didn't have a republican leader that would challenge the democrats on the war. right now you need a republican that will challenge obama on the war issue and on civil liberties. here is an administration that endorsed assassination. he still endorses secret prisons. he loves the patriot acted. you need a republican that truly believes in individual liberty, and i think they can provide a real challenge to
report this past week petraeus has a long-term strategy to stay in afghanistan. this president, first he was going to be out in '11, then it was '14. we're going to be there a long time. >> it's fool hearty. that's going to be part of the reason the empire will come down. let me remind people that republicans used to have a position closer to mine. just think on -- i remember when eisenhower was elected, it was a stop democrat war in korea. when nixon was elected, he was supposed to stop...
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they will never be a centrally governed pakistan, i mean afghanistan. afghanistan is not like iraq. give me one more second and i'll tell you what i think is going to happen in iraq. we'll probably go back to having one bloodthirsty tyrant to rule the country. that's the irony of iraq. >> happy days, wes. >> afghanistan is extraordinarily tribal. it's difficult to have a conversation about afghanistan. one story i loved was one of the things we did in afghanistan when i was working with the civil affairs team, giving out flags to children and local leaders. they would look at the flag and say what is this. you would have to explain, it's your country. there's another thing, i think you brought up a good point, joe. afghanistan is not iraq. you are right. there's a crucial player, though that factors in. that's iran. iran is not only very active and involved, but in addition to that, iran is part of the summit takes place in december between the leaders of pakistan, afghanistan and iran. iran is trying to show its hand in the larger conversation. how that plays out is going to have a
they will never be a centrally governed pakistan, i mean afghanistan. afghanistan is not like iraq. give me one more second and i'll tell you what i think is going to happen in iraq. we'll probably go back to having one bloodthirsty tyrant to rule the country. that's the irony of iraq. >> happy days, wes. >> afghanistan is extraordinarily tribal. it's difficult to have a conversation about afghanistan. one story i loved was one of the things we did in afghanistan when i was working...
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the delay in troop draw-downs from afghanistan. this is basically pentagon-driven agenda, but where is the president on this? >> and gene, how surprising is it that there is such continuity between george w. bush's neocon foreign policy and barack obama's, i guess we can call it a neo con -- >> whatever you want to call it, there is continuity. i think jeffrey's absolutely right that it's generals-driven, pentagon-driven. there's a certain sort of momentum to this interventionist philosophy and practice. that is hard to stop. it's hard for a president to stop and joe biden did what he could. he asked the right questions, but in the end, here we are. we're still in iraq, we're still in afghanistan, we're doing hostilities in libya, and watch out for yemen. i really think yemen is the next war that is -- that could be a real war. >> mike, we don't have the money. will somebody please send a memo to washington, to the president, to congress? we don't have the money to fight these wars. >> we can't win them. >> and we can't win them! >
the delay in troop draw-downs from afghanistan. this is basically pentagon-driven agenda, but where is the president on this? >> and gene, how surprising is it that there is such continuity between george w. bush's neocon foreign policy and barack obama's, i guess we can call it a neo con -- >> whatever you want to call it, there is continuity. i think jeffrey's absolutely right that it's generals-driven, pentagon-driven. there's a certain sort of momentum to this interventionist...
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coming from iraq and not finishing the job in afghanistan. now we have two wars. he couldn't have counted on that. >> i'm looking at "remembering 9/11." there are incredible ways that family members still live with the tragedy. there's one soundbyte that comes to mind about a brick always in your pocket. i would like to roll that and talk about it. >> you know the wonderful old saying that time heals all wounds. does it? >> ah, no. there's a movie, rabbit hole, where a mother describes it as a brick in her pocket. it's always there, sometimes you don't notice it, but it's always in your pocket. >> these people are still living as if it were yesterday, for sure. >> it's what i was just talking about. i use her as an example of that. there are so many americas. these survivors and the people who went through that ordeal, it's what we ought to be doing. it was the most -- it was the worst day of their lives, obviously. to a man and woman i talked to, they said i knew i had to get on with my life. i looked at it in a different way. they think they are better people no
coming from iraq and not finishing the job in afghanistan. now we have two wars. he couldn't have counted on that. >> i'm looking at "remembering 9/11." there are incredible ways that family members still live with the tragedy. there's one soundbyte that comes to mind about a brick always in your pocket. i would like to roll that and talk about it. >> you know the wonderful old saying that time heals all wounds. does it? >> ah, no. there's a movie, rabbit hole, where...
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. >>> we'll look at afghanistan and start wf this news story. u.s. military officials in afghanistan is reportedly comparing the war there to a nonstop game of cat and mouse. the rough fing ton post passes along the story of an american military commander who wished to remain anonymous while telling local media in afghanistan quote, the afghan war is more like a tom and jerry cartoon that never ends. the only difference is the cartoon does not claim lives, but here we lose men every day. now, that comment comes as a report in "the washington post" finds that many infrastructure projects built with u.s. funds in both afghanistan and iraq are neglected and crumble once given over to local control. u.s. troops in afghanistan have spent $2 billion in the past six years on 16,000 humanitarian projects through the program. among the headliners in iraq is a million dollar water park built in bagdad that now sits in ruins. that is despite steps imposed over the past year to ensure that some $5 billion of u.s. reconstruction money is not being wasted. and tha
. >>> we'll look at afghanistan and start wf this news story. u.s. military officials in afghanistan is reportedly comparing the war there to a nonstop game of cat and mouse. the rough fing ton post passes along the story of an american military commander who wished to remain anonymous while telling local media in afghanistan quote, the afghan war is more like a tom and jerry cartoon that never ends. the only difference is the cartoon does not claim lives, but here we lose men every...
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because of afghanistan. they say because it's -- >> pakistan. >> pakistan. which is what we heard about kosovo. >> which is where the al qaeda threat has drifted to. >> exactly. >> congressman, i agree. europe has to stop calling 911 america whenever it has a problem, particularly when it then spends the rest of the year putting american foreign policy down. but to get back to the debt, because pentagon spending is only going to be part of that, you talked about the need to rationalize, i think you said, access to medical services. of i mean, that -- that's the big problem, and how are you proposing doing that? >> all right. let me say first of all, i would differ with you if you are suggesting that's a bigger problem than the military. i think you could save well over $150 billion -- look, afghanistan and iraq alone, of course, has $150 billion, as we just said, several billion a week just for afghanistan. the president, astonishly to me, is pressuring the iraqis to ask us to stay in iraq when george bush w
because of afghanistan. they say because it's -- >> pakistan. >> pakistan. which is what we heard about kosovo. >> which is where the al qaeda threat has drifted to. >> exactly. >> congressman, i agree. europe has to stop calling 911 america whenever it has a problem, particularly when it then spends the rest of the year putting american foreign policy down. but to get back to the debt, because pentagon spending is only going to be part of that, you talked about...
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and what happens the day we leave afghanistan? whether it's five years or ten years, the same thing. >> the challenge we have in iraq is this. we're asking the sunnis and the shiites and the kurds and all the other groups to come together and form this cohesive government and country, we're asking them to do something they've never done before. so by thinking that having five or six brigades of military forces, of coalition forces somehow going to prompt that i think was naive. >> it's a waiting game. >> it's a waiting game. >> and it's the same thing with afghanistan, we've got the finger in the dam. we can stay there for 15 years, 20 years, maybe we can stop the flooding, but we're going to have to go home at some point, and when we do, the water's going to rush in. >> what happened was we used a whole lot of u.s. resources to train up the iraqi forces, train up the iraqi special forces doing the same thing in afghanistan so the problem becomes as we begin to redeploy our troops and bring our troops home, we have better trained,
and what happens the day we leave afghanistan? whether it's five years or ten years, the same thing. >> the challenge we have in iraq is this. we're asking the sunnis and the shiites and the kurds and all the other groups to come together and form this cohesive government and country, we're asking them to do something they've never done before. so by thinking that having five or six brigades of military forces, of coalition forces somehow going to prompt that i think was naive. >>...
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just get together and get something done. >> you know, there is huge news out of afghanistan this morning that we're going to get to as well as rupert murdoch and his media empire. what's going on with that. >> this is extending, by the way, to "the times" of london? >> yes, the big story. >> the other players, this is earth shattering. i thought the big thing -- i thought it was about one tabloid. whew. this is so serious. >>> ahead this morning, we're going to bring in the ranking member of the budget committee, congressman chris van hollen. and oil tycoon t. boone pickens will be here. eugene robinson. >> by the way, on that story, i mean, they're not tapping the phones of the british prime minister, but they're -- they're trying to get his records -- >> may be an institution that has rot on the the core. it is a big problem. >> medical records. >> bank accounts. >> after the break, politicos, top stories of the morning. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >>> well, mikka, beautiful weather out there if you love heat and humidity. this is summertime at its greate
just get together and get something done. >> you know, there is huge news out of afghanistan this morning that we're going to get to as well as rupert murdoch and his media empire. what's going on with that. >> this is extending, by the way, to "the times" of london? >> yes, the big story. >> the other players, this is earth shattering. i thought the big thing -- i thought it was about one tabloid. whew. this is so serious. >>> ahead this morning,...
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and nato forces in afghanistan answering questions at his confirmation hearing. the taliban claims responsibility for a deadly attack at one of afghanistan's premier hotels. at least six suicide bombers attacked in an orchestrated operation that began late last night and continued into the morning. afghan officials say at least ten afghan civilians were killed in the attack. that number could rise. officials say the attackers were heavily armed with machine guns, rocket propelled grenades and grenade launchers. afghan forces rushed to the rooftop killing the remaining insurgents and the four-hour stand off. all right. that's the headline we are following. now, time for sports with willie geist. >> game two of the college world series. this is a best of three series. it could end. last night, florida down a game to south carolina. south carolina wins. they get the title for the second straight year. third inning, shoddy defense. sneaks by shortstop fontana. later, the same evening, a chopper up the middle. josh adams cannot get to it in time. that one squirts by.
and nato forces in afghanistan answering questions at his confirmation hearing. the taliban claims responsibility for a deadly attack at one of afghanistan's premier hotels. at least six suicide bombers attacked in an orchestrated operation that began late last night and continued into the morning. afghan officials say at least ten afghan civilians were killed in the attack. that number could rise. officials say the attackers were heavily armed with machine guns, rocket propelled grenades and...
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presence in afghanistan. speaking in iowa yesterday, barbour said americans should not think afghanistan will adopt a western-style democracy. we'll stop there. >> mark halperin. this could be a big break. this could be something that pat buchanan and i have been talking about for a long time. a republican who steps forward who takes a nonbush, nonwoodrow wilson approach to international affairs could be rewarded in a big way in republican primaries. barbour has stepped through that door first. why? >> and there's no figure in the field now, even perspectively with a military background like a john mccain, bob dole or george bush 41. it's safer in the party now. if you can come at it in a muscular way, say i'm for american security, getting the troops out of this unwinnable war in afghanistan. haley barbour has his fingers on the polls. in order to do well he has to be an anti-establishment populous figure, i think. >> right. >> this is an issue that the polls show there's a lot of support. that's the nationa
presence in afghanistan. speaking in iowa yesterday, barbour said americans should not think afghanistan will adopt a western-style democracy. we'll stop there. >> mark halperin. this could be a big break. this could be something that pat buchanan and i have been talking about for a long time. a republican who steps forward who takes a nonbush, nonwoodrow wilson approach to international affairs could be rewarded in a big way in republican primaries. barbour has stepped through that door...
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to destabilize afghanistan. they view afghanistan as a surrogate battlefield in their endless contest with india in which there are rights and wrongs on the pakistani an indian side. the pakistanis feel self-righteous about it. in addition, we have to recognize afghanistan is a complicated country simultaneously, quasi-modern, urban, simultaneously practically medieval with institutions of power of the government. sort of autonomous units almost in a futile kind of system, so that you cannot be entirely sure that all of isi has been, so to speak, complicit in some fashion against us, but certain major elements. you can go on and say the same thing about the army and then about the police and then about the civil service. it's a convoluted situation in which we have to be clever, something that is necessary to the end game but hopefully create circumstances the end game comes fairly soon. >> jon meacham. >> how would you define the end game? >> i would define it two levels. i'm countlessly repeating myself but sa
to destabilize afghanistan. they view afghanistan as a surrogate battlefield in their endless contest with india in which there are rights and wrongs on the pakistani an indian side. the pakistanis feel self-righteous about it. in addition, we have to recognize afghanistan is a complicated country simultaneously, quasi-modern, urban, simultaneously practically medieval with institutions of power of the government. sort of autonomous units almost in a futile kind of system, so that you cannot be...
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>> whether the war in afghanistan was worth it? thames of thousands of al qaeda person yell being trains in afghanistan, history of taliban harboring terrorist groups. and no since that has changed. taliban still working with terrorist groups and no indication if we cut some deal they would change and no sense the terrorists groups would seize on a failed state in that part of the world all next door to a country sitting on 100 nuclear weapons. a scary scenario, that doesn't mean i support the way the war was fought. i have a lot of criticisms about underresourcing and lack of counter insurgency strategist strategist -- strategy a number of years but i don't support the way we went in that failed state there. >> do you see bin laden's death changing the future. the president said we did what we said we would do and now come home. i'm not sure i see a straight line between those two? >> i see regular people trying to figure out and government trying to figure out how much of support for bin laden or the taliban is either being ignor
>> whether the war in afghanistan was worth it? thames of thousands of al qaeda person yell being trains in afghanistan, history of taliban harboring terrorist groups. and no since that has changed. taliban still working with terrorist groups and no indication if we cut some deal they would change and no sense the terrorists groups would seize on a failed state in that part of the world all next door to a country sitting on 100 nuclear weapons. a scary scenario, that doesn't mean i...
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that's a pretty nice example for afghanistan if you want to look somewhere. maybe ukraine. >> i like ukraine. >> this is nice. bring a chair. introduce some furniture into the brawl. that works, too. georgia. how about georgia. the country of georgia. that's actually a city council meeting getting very aggressive. and then south korea always treats us to nice parliamentary brawls. >> i like that. holding on to the podium. okay. thank you. >>> ezra, what did you learn? >> republicans, not huge fans of taxes. eric cantor, doesn't love revenue. >> just learned that today? >> learned a couple of things. >> larry david does not like eric cantor. >> and he's not coming back. >> he's coming back when joe is here. >> oh, good. >> and life begins anew sunday evening because "curb your enthusiasm" returns to the air waves sunday on hbo. >> i love it. >> i actually learned something else. ezra klein today and tomorrow, 3:00, hosting on msnbc for the full hour. that's appointment tv. >> you have to watch. >> it's not going to be as funny as larry david. >> just follow th
that's a pretty nice example for afghanistan if you want to look somewhere. maybe ukraine. >> i like ukraine. >> this is nice. bring a chair. introduce some furniture into the brawl. that works, too. georgia. how about georgia. the country of georgia. that's actually a city council meeting getting very aggressive. and then south korea always treats us to nice parliamentary brawls. >> i like that. holding on to the podium. okay. thank you. >>> ezra, what did you learn?...
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kill teams in afghanistan. they're going to talk about how american soldiers allegedly murdered innocent civilians and mutilated their corpses and how their officers apparently failed to stop them. big story raising a lot of questions. "rolling stone" magazine, that's in our next hour. exclusive details from that article and eric bates will explain where everything goes from here on that story. but first, as i mentioned, president obama will address the nation tonight to explain what role the u.s. will play in the mission in libya and now that nato has stepped in. ahead of the speech, hillary clinton and robert gates made the rounds on the morning talk shows. gates may have added to the confusion about the libyan objective saying that u.s. involvement in the country is not a vital national interest. take a listen. >> we see our commitment of resources actually beginning to decline. >> how long does the no-fly zone last? weeks or longer? >> nobody knows the answer to that question. once the air defenses have bee
kill teams in afghanistan. they're going to talk about how american soldiers allegedly murdered innocent civilians and mutilated their corpses and how their officers apparently failed to stop them. big story raising a lot of questions. "rolling stone" magazine, that's in our next hour. exclusive details from that article and eric bates will explain where everything goes from here on that story. but first, as i mentioned, president obama will address the nation tonight to explain what...
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you know, afghanistan has been cast aside. it takes tragic events to take what happened over the weekend to bring it to the front pages. the minds of the voters are preoccupied with the economy. suffering and what it would take to get this country back on track. there's not the appetite that consumes the afghanistan news like in the vietnam era. it's an unfortunate side effect of this. the numbers don't lie. it's an expensive war and a costly war in human and dollar terms. people need to ask real questions about it. $2 billion a week? when we're cutting schools, cutting r & d, infrastructure. this is something americans should focus on. you have the human tragedy and the weekly financial crisis that this is causing. >> sure. we are not talking about libya, either, by the way. with afghanistan, there's so many dimensions, it breaks the question of how long are we going to be there? we don't know. this may be another ten years out in some capacity. how real is it that we are going to be able to turn over control of that country
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ambassador to afghanistan. the changes could take effect as early as will summer. >> fascinating stuff. the most fascinating selection. david pa retraeus going from afghanistan to the cia. >> very interesting. and it's obama bringing people who might be a threat to him on the outside into his own camp. he did this dearly with hillary clinton. he liked having bob gates, a republican, the head of the pentagon and now he brings in somebody who a while ago was being a possible 2012 candidate for the republicans, very respected by the republicans and he brings him this to the fold. whether he can keep the cia and petraeus within his own camp will be interesting because petraeus is a leader. you can see petraeus working with the cia and not necessarily always on the same page as the white house. >> no doubt about it. and also as we start moving out of afghanistan, general petraeus would always be a notch for barack obama who obviously the president wants to get the kroops home on a much faster pace. david petraeus a
ambassador to afghanistan. the changes could take effect as early as will summer. >> fascinating stuff. the most fascinating selection. david pa retraeus going from afghanistan to the cia. >> very interesting. and it's obama bringing people who might be a threat to him on the outside into his own camp. he did this dearly with hillary clinton. he liked having bob gates, a republican, the head of the pentagon and now he brings in somebody who a while ago was being a possible 2012...
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pakistanis want influence in afghanistan and those they're dealing with in afghanistan are moving to pakistan and that is an enormous problem. this is a deep, deep problem probably doesn't have any resolution. i don't think the pakistan leadership can root out the pro taliban people in this isi and have that stick. this is not going to get better. >> the white house has gone out of its way not to blame pakistan and the government for harboring osama bin laden. at some point, they have to go over there, i guess senator john kerry will go over there and start asking tough questions. >> as well as he should. governor dean is right. it would be a mistake to assume pakistan is a nation state and in a sense where the president can enforce things across the entire nation. this sort of underscores president obama was right, let's give him credit going into pakistan knowing he couldn't rely on the deposit to police themselves. i also think president bush, the fact this attack happened in pakistan and not america, i think underscores the premise we had for the last decade, let's fight the terr
pakistanis want influence in afghanistan and those they're dealing with in afghanistan are moving to pakistan and that is an enormous problem. this is a deep, deep problem probably doesn't have any resolution. i don't think the pakistan leadership can root out the pro taliban people in this isi and have that stick. this is not going to get better. >> the white house has gone out of its way not to blame pakistan and the government for harboring osama bin laden. at some point, they have to...